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HY-170 vs HY-200

Posted by  Andreaalmost 4 years ago
HY-170 vs HY-200

We often design post fixed rebar or rods in PROFIS choosing chemical anchor HY-200. However, our supplier apparently only procures HY-170 and this is NOT available in the software. I can see from the data sheet that the 200 version is seismic certified and marginally more resistant: 1. What are the main differences between the two products 2.How come HY-170 does not appear as an option in PROFIS.

Anchors,HY-200,hy-170

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Posted by Ask HILTI Teamalmost 4 years ago

Thank you for your question. The HY170 is a 'universal' product in that it has been formulated to work within concrete and masonry base materials that are hollow and solid. Whilst the HY170 does have European Technical Assessments for use in concrete and masonry the application range and fixing element type is subsequently smaller due to the universal aspect compared against the other specifically formulated concrete resin ranges such as the HY200-A* ,HY200-R* and HY270 for masonry. Consequently due to the more limited application range and base materials it has been omitted from the software.

HY200-A anchoring HY200-R rebar


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Posted by  Andreaalmost 4 years ago
Dear HILTI Team, thank you for your reply. • Understood that HY170 is a more universal formula applicable to masonry (hollow and solid), too. •In our instance we have an application in solid CRACKED concrete in combination with an M20 HAS-U 5.8 anchor rod. This fixing and size is present in both products' data sheet, and I have noticed that the tabulated resistances of HY170 are practically identical to HY200 for UNcracked concrete (NRk&VRk 106.8 & 61kN vs 109 & 61kN). However, HY170 does NOT feature tabulated data for the cracked scenario. • Is it generally acceptable to use PROFIS with HY200 data to design HY170 with some approximation? • If so, does PROFIS design for HY200 also apply to our case where HY170 does NOT have tabulated data for CRACKED concrete?

Posted by Ask HILTI Teamalmost 4 years ago

Thanks for the follow query you are correct that the HY170 published data stops at M16 for HAS-U rods in cracked concrete therefore it is not possible to design M20 anchors with this product.

The Design Resistance value Nrd & Vrd (Compare your Ultimate / Factored load against these values) for the HY200A & HAS-U M20 5.8 in uncracked C20/25 concrete is Nrd 72.7kN & Vrd 48.8kN . For cracked concrete Nrd 50.9kN & Vrd 48.8kN. The Vrd is the same due to the steel strength. Please do not use the Characteristic Nrk values see attached pdf for a further explanation.

It isn't possible to utilise Profis Engineering for calculations for the HY170 and is currently a hand calculation process following EC2 Part 4 taking the values from the HY170 ETA but again the maximum diameter is M16 in cracked concrete.


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Posted by  Andreaalmost 4 years ago
All clear. Diagram useful.